eupher61 wrote:Simple, honest question: Just how are "pros" cast out? Every event has payout, EVEN THE CHARITY EVENTS!
That, to me, is the silly part. TaTa payouts? Ice Bowl payouts? They are charity events....sheesh.
Why not play MPO or MPM in sanctioned events and show your game?
To me, the name was a problem because of perceptions. calling it P.O.T. is a totally different matter, that shows there is a meaning behind it.
But, why the name calling? Why the insults? Grow up, Jeff, and be part of the solution, not part of the problem.
No offense Steve, but I'm not sure you've considered everything that is at play here and I think you're looking at this from an ameture's point of view. Every disc golfer hopes to get something out of events and leagues. Some people are just looking for fun, others want a payout, while others are just looking to get away from their wife & kids for a few hours of down time. The things that is most enticing to most pros is the payout, especially touring pros (its their livelyhood)
Charity Events: While they are nice to raise money for worthwhile organizations, they are not very appealing to all pros, because there is no payout. Adding something like a side superpro buy-in is an incentive for them to come out and play the event, because they can win something while donating to a good cause. This is a necessary evil, but a win-win since the club gets to increase numbers for the event and the pros still win something more than bragging rights (which don't pay the bills).
The pros have been turned out because of the payout schedule. Again, the most enticing event to most pros is one that has a good payout, including added cash. When you offer beer, lunch, CTPs, 50/50s etc, that all takes away from the payout because everything costs money. In order for the club to be successful and cater to ALL its members, there has to be different types of events. 3 PDGA sanctioned events/year is not enough for the competitive golfer that is looking for tough competition and good payouts.
The RCF runs close to 20 events/year and most of them are aimed at the amateur or casual golfer, which is why I say the pros have been cast out. Instead of advertising the event as "fun" try including a couple events where "competition" is the goal and format. This means, there is not food, no ctps, no beer, or anything else that takes up additional time or detracts from the payout. Instead, take all the money that would be spent on that type of stuff and add it to the pro pot (sorry payout).
Pros pay the same $20 as everyone else to join the club and should be treated as equal members, meaning they should have events that cater to their wants. In fact, the AMs are the don't show up to every event. But, Pros come out almost every week, buy into the tournament (which the RCF makes money off of) and still don't get treated equally. Most pros don't care if the win a CTP and get another Gateway putter (to add to the dozens they already have) They don't care if there is beer available because they want to play to the top of their game and try to win. They may even bring their own lunch so they know what to expect in round 2. The point is that almost all events (including the PDGA sanctioned events) are catered to amateur players and this league finally caters to the pros wants. It is a numbers game, there are more amateurs than pros, but that shouldn't mean that we don't deserve events that cater to us, Hell, they are a lot easier to run, you just show up, take money and make the cards. You don't even need merchandise because most pros have mre plastic than they know what to do with.This league is very simple, predictable, all money goes to payout, etc. We don't waste a ton of money or time on the payout and presentation of CTP etc.
And, to address the last part of your post, I called Chris a fascist because he is trying to control something that is out of his jurisdiction. This league has nothing to do with the RCF, other than advertising on the message board to its members. Oviously, there is an interest in this league since this thread is less than a week old and already has close to 200 views.
Try to take a step back from the situation and think about what type of reaction you would have if Chris tried to tell you that euper61 was an unacceptable screen name. What if your name was eupher69 (because you were born in 1969?) Should that matter, or are people only going to associate that with a negative/sexual conotation? Where is the line, what is over the line, who is to decide?
And, lets not forget that Chris is the one that had a special and seperate design for tags 420 and 421 and made a big deal of holding them back until an event. That fact annoys me even more that he is on my case about this acronym...