My thoughts on cross town rumble boundaries

[REDARMY]

random thought; dunno if this event was penciled in or not, but in case it was, here's my idea:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3520/4048286789_7889d498b7_o.jpg

edit: er, not sure why i can't get the img code to work, so you'll have to copy/paste the url....

[Working Stiff]

Crosstown Rumble need some people to sit down and seriously put it through the think tank. It’s a viable idea, but it’s not getting there. At the very least, it needs to be later in the year AFTER leagues start so captain have a chance to talk up a team.

As far as boundaries go, there needs to be a way to give St. Charles a team. The Ridge Runners are more of a cohesive group than most of the groups that show up for Crosstown Rumble, yet they get slashed in half and left to fill in North and West rosters. That doesn’t really make a lot of sense.

I’ve thought that a competition based on courses rather than geography would be more popular. People are more attached to courses than geography. Guys from the QR league would probably show up for a Ridge Runner team. If the teams were named for popular courses such as Quail Ridge, White Birch, JB and Collinsville and you got to pick which one you considered “your” course the idea might get more traction. Maybe you could figure out a way to have more, smaller teams. You could have Sioux, Endicott, JB, Unger, CC, QR, Collinsville and one other course for eight teams. The Captains would be under less pressure to recruit if you had smaller teams. Then you could have first round grudge matches like White Birch VS Sioux Passage for the right to represent North County in the second round. Endicott VS CC, JB VS Unger, something like that. First round losers could have conciliation 2nd round matches so that players get a full day of play in. I haven’t thought it all the way out, but I think the details could get worked out.

I know a system like that is open for abuse. Bob could bribe Robo to play for the White Birch team and there really would be nothing to stop it from happening. Still, I think it would be more popular than forcing people to represent a geographic area based on what side of I-70 they happen to live on.

[clane]

What about doing it by county? St. Louis City, St Louis County, St Charles County, Jefferson county, Illinois combined. That would be pretty easy to come up with a list of who is can play for which team based on their zip code. That would be the most straightforward way to come up with boundaries, to my thinking anyway.

[REDARMY]

What about doing it by county? St. Louis City, St Louis County, St Charles County, Jefferson county, Illinois combined. That would be pretty easy to come up with a list of who is can play for which team based on their zip code. That would be the most straightforward way to come up with boundaries, to my thinking anyway.

that's a great idea imo, except i think that us in the north side would be poorly represented as most of the dg'ers seems to live south or west of here. regardless, if we are going to do a CTR, chris has a solid idea here.

[REDARMY]

As far as boundaries go, there needs to be a way to give St. Charles a team. The Ridge Runners are more of a cohesive group than most of the groups that show up for Crosstown Rumble, yet they get slashed in half and left to fill in North and West rosters. That doesn’t really make a lot of sense.

??? the map i linked to covers that problem. west team would be everything south of 70 until 40/61, and north/west of 44...

[clane]

If it goes by county, if you live in St Louis County, you are playing on the same team regardless of living in Hazelwood or Afton. I think the city guys would get the short end of the stick, simply because there are fewer of us.

[Working Stiff]

As far as boundaries go, there needs to be a way to give St. Charles a team. The Ridge Runners are more of a cohesive group than most of the groups that show up for Crosstown Rumble, yet they get slashed in half and left to fill in North and West rosters. That doesn’t really make a lot of sense.

??? the map i linked to covers that problem. west team would be everything south of 70 until 40/61, and north/west of 44...

??? Maybe I'm reading the boundary wrong, but think of it this way. Say hypothetically I live in O'Fallon North of I-70. I play dubs at QR. My doubles partner lives in St. Peters South of I-70. Your map put us on separate teams.

Even if we both live South of I-70 and would be on the same team, why would we want to compete from bragging rights with the West team? It's a huge area encompassing people who neither of us are going to encounter on a regular basis. I'm going to show up and see a bunch of Endicott and CC regulars I don't even know that are supposed to be my "teammates." Wouldn't my hypothetical doubles team be more motivated to show up and defend the honor of QR against those smack-talking JB homeboys? Forgetting artificial boundaries and developing teams around each course would give you that.

At any rate, back to your map...The West area is too big. I'd take I-70 to the Missouri, then follow that down as the boundary so all of St. Charles was on the North team.

[gottagothrow]

You spoke of league at QR.. one of the ideas discussed (that will be discussed at
a future meeting) was to have a league based challenge.

Say, JB vs QR vs Endi vs CC vs etc etc.

Trust me, this will be discussed at length before implementing anything.
DD

[magic]

I've always liked the idea of the Crosstown Rumble, but previously there were 2 things about it that made it so I was not interested in it.

1) As already discussed the boundaries were terrible. I previously lived 1/2 mile north of 70 in O'fallon which put me on the north team. I have since moved even further West, but still about 1 mile north of 70. I'm about 5 miles from QR and if that doesn't put me on the West team then something is wrong with the boundaries.

2) For the most part the winner has always been the team to show up with the most players. It was usually the West or South team that had the most players thus they won. It's great that you were able to get the most participants involved, but I never liked the idea of winning just because you had the most players. Something needs to be done so there are an even # of participants on each team. I know that can be difficult if not impossible though.

I've thought about this event many times and what could be done to improve it and make things fair. I honestly have not been able to come up with anything. Unless the two issues above are addressed and I'm not sure they can be, maybe this event does just need to be scrapped.

[xlforlife]

i think all of tyhe courses have enough to represent a team. i speak for sioux and i know of atleat 10-15 that would show up. but when u break it tin to courses it gets complcated, and you would have to restrict because thers so many courses. say theres only 3 guys from unger but 10 from jb how do you play that. pick 4,6,or8 corses and give enough time to get the word out and then try to get teams together. because i played for the north last year and we only had 6 guys, while the west and south had 15 or 20. we also need a course like endi where we can get a good turnout from every zone not just from that part of town. unger played too much to the west and souths strenghts. just sayin that boundary is dumb in how it works instead of highways break up the courses themselves in to quadranta then try to make a team so players are distributed equaly. one more thing with it being in sept now more people wiil show up because the februrary cold csares people off.